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| CMelodyMan |
Why do people do this?I still don't understand why beginner saxophonists blow $1,500+ on a new student model sax when they can get a used pro model sax in decent condition for half or less the price. Why doesn't there band director tell them about some good pro brands, instead of telling them to buy cheap, junk student horns? |
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| saxmaniac |
If I was a band director then that would all change. | ||
| JPSaxMan |
Indeed Dave, it is ludacracy.
My LaVoix is not considered student nor pro, but a nicely built horn for around the price you described. The Yamaha 475 is also another nice horn at that price. So, beats me  ??:
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| Louis Scuderi |
There is a difference between 1500 and 3000. When say, some one around ten years old decides he wants so start sax. What do the parents do? Look at this "student" saxophone and look at this "Reference 54". About $3000 dollar price difference, and the parents are probably far from assured that their child is going to stick with this instrument.
My two cents. Cheers, CR |
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| JPSaxMan |
Indeed LS, that's what my parents did with my brother.
Only THEN after you're sure (after listening to your child over seven years practice and improve and develop a passion for it) you can get your child a Ref 54. My brother didn't pursue the passion, so it's probably a good thing my parents didn't get him a pro model horn to start off. 
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| Louis Scuderi |
Exactly. 
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| Bariman |
Sometimes, begginers have a hard time playing on saxes designed for pros. It's something about certain characteristics of a pro sax that resists a younger embrochure.
Bariman |
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| JPSaxMan |
Another valid point Bariman! 
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| Louis Scuderi |
This is true bariman, but I don't think a new student tries a YTS-23 and a YTS-82Z and feels a big difference. Maybe they will after they have stoppped renting. | ||
| yoshiplaysthesax |
but if you parents did and he didnt want the sax any more i would ask him for it. me and my evil ways ... |
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| Hiya |
Do you have any recomendations? Know of anywhere to buy used horns? I've been using my cheap student sax for about 2 years, its time for a change. |
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| Bariman |
Sax Alley is a good place to start. Also [url]http://saxquest.com/trading.asp]Saxquest's free trade section[/url]. If you're willing to go that way, i'd try some classified sections of some other Sax forums around. Tons of stuff everyday on those sites.
Bariman |
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| JazZz |
Ha, I totally agree..
But about the ref.54 for a begginer..: I live in a pretty afluent area, and in the beggining of 5th grade everyone started band. I had already been playing for 2 years (because I was just so ahead of the curve ). Anyway, at christmas, one kid recieved a Series III with gold plating after only playing for 4-5 months. It was crazy! He had no appreciation for it, and he quit alto that summer to play trumpet, shows you how crazy people can be. I'll never get people like that.
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| Tully |
At least where I live, most people who buy their kids cheap new horns when they could buy a much better used one (or, even better yet, a used student one for less) are not themselves musicians, and simply assume shiny=good, used=bad. In my opinion, the most logical (and often, economical) course of action is to rent a Yamaha 23 (the best student horn, IMO) until the student is sure they want to continue, then decide on a better instrument. But frankly, there are a lot of kids who would be much better off with a 23 and some lessons. | ||
| JPSaxMan |
Agreed Tully, agreed...
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| altosax4ever |
I wish...I started off on a 23 ($1400), and I just wish the parents would have invested in a pro instead.... |
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| Altosaxophonerules |
There was a child in a elementary school I knew and before he even knew how to play. He got a Keilwerth SX-90R sax and has quited and has switched to playing clarinet. I wonder what clarinet he ends up getting. The sax got donated to the skool. | ||