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Who else thinks this is complete ludacracy? Mr. Green

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BariSax37 · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 70 Location: Warren MI

Ok I don't get this whole thing. are the spanish speaking people wanting to change the anthem to spanish? In that case, hell no. If they are just wanting to sing it in spanish but not make other non spanish speaking people sing then I don't see what is the problem.
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JPSaxMan · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject:

http://www.rense.com/general70/ana.htm

That is one article that supports my opinion.

Bari, I believe the intention was meant as good, but is interpreted by many as the usual Spanish immigrants forcing the Spanish language on United-States-ians.
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Bariman · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject:

I really don't care how or in what language you sing the anthem, words are just words. There will however be %$*# to pay if someone tries to force it on me. Of course I don't think that's anyones intention.

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JazZz · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 170

their not trying to force it upon anyone
and if anyone hasn't looked recently, there is no national language of the United states, English is just the majority. Smile

anyway, my opinion on the matter is that by them making an anthem in Spanish they're showing patriotism for our country the best way they can. It's not like their going out and burning our flag and trying to do horrible things, their doing the opposite and trying to be good citizens and trying to do something good for our country in their native tongue.

CMelodyMan · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:10 am Post subject:

Personally I support it.

Few people realize that Hispanic Americans are the largest minority in the U.S. (13% compared to 12% black and ~74% white.)
Taking that into consideration, I think they deserve the right to have our Anthem allowed to be sung in Spanish as well as English. I also believe that soon Spanish will become one of the OFFICIAL languages of the U.S, which will probably reuqire that it be allowed to be sung in Spanish too, so they might as well do it now.
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JPSaxMan · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 6:48 am Post subject:

Actually there are no official languages...I read that somewhere. English is actually not THE official language of the US.

But by letting them sing OUR song in Spanish means that they have less of a reason to learn English...and they should learn English if they don't know it already. If we go to a foreign country and don't speak their language it is considered rude. Why should it be any different here?
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JazZz · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 170

To jpsaxman about saying that going to a foreign country and not speaking their language is being rude:

the reason that we have no official language is because America has and will always be seen as a place for people to have hope in. This country was founded by immigrants, and immigrants still come. Our country was founded on many different ethnic backgrounds with 100's of different languages. Just because English is the majority doesn't mean that it is rude of hispanics to not learn English.

If you ever go to Europe, most Europeans learn 1 or 2 other languages besides their own so they can communicate with other people, their not as close minded as in the US.

JPSaxMan · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject:

JazZz, that's great that the Europeans might know English, but it is still considered rude to go to France and force English on the French. It's just wrong. Take a Culture Shock class, or a foreign language class. You'll get that feedback rather quickly. Mr. Green

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CMelodyMan · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject:

Tully · Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Posts: 170 Location: Woodinville, WA

This issue comes down to the extent to which one considers racialism (as race-based thinking, not racism) acceptable. As white, native-born citizens, we tend to view ourselves as "true" Americans (let's not even get started on the historical validity of that notion). On the assupmtion that white folks are the true Americans--that this is their nation--then the idea of singing the national anthem in Spanish is unacceptable, even morally reprehensible, since it shows tremendous arrogance on the part of its (foreign-born) advocates.

However, if you agree with what I consider the more reasonable belief that there is no such thing as a "true" American, then why not sing it in Spanish...and Italian, and Cherokee, and Russian, and Chinese, and Swahili, too? It's a song that belongs to any citizen, no matter where they come from. For many reasons, I feel America will never be able to associate its national identity very strongly with its language, as most other nations do. Ours is not a nation of ethnic homogeneity--few people outside ethnic communities have the exact same heritage--so who is to say what really ought to be our language? Personally, I have no English ancestors, which is a situation typical of many self-proclaimed "true" Americans. Therefore, I think the racialist basis for the argument that the national anthem must be sung only in English is invalid in a nation like America. Logistically, it makes sense, because so many of us speak English, but the English language in and of itself is no more American than Spanish.
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JPSaxMan · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject:

So Tully, you're saying that I and anyone else who agrees with me is a racist? That's great to know...

The National Anthem has always been sung in English. It gives the Green Cards who come into this country who reap the benefits as it is less of a reason to learn English.
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Tully · Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Posts: 170 Location: Woodinville, WA